Zero'ing a Garand

[Caleb]

Originally Posted by aloreman

Should be noted that a "bench zero" can and will differ from a prone or sitting zero. The eye sees the sights differently in different positions. We sight in rifles prone from a sling. Standing and sitting zeros may also change. I am 2 clicks up and one click left from prone to sitting and standing.

Good point. Thanks.

[Dave Waits]

According to the shooting Coach I had in the AF when I shot for the ANG, the way you see the front sight-post doesn't change. You eye automatically centers the post in the Aperature and then when you're correctly focused on the front sight the ring of the aperature actually disappears. If the rifle is aligned correctly your eye sees the post the same way every time regardless of position. I had the same problem as you aloreman. Only, my sight picture changed at prone. One click down and centered. My problem was rifle alignment.I was actually holding the muzzle slightly high in the aperature.

[aloreman]

Not to make an arguement but your head position changes when you shoot prone as well changing the angle of the eye to they sight. Regardless of how you word it the end result is that you may have a different prone zero than you have offhand or ever off the bench as your head position changes on the gun.

[BlackKnight]

I'm a police sniper and shot long distance in military and police competitions and my zero never changed between positions. Maybe it's different with scoped rifles. This summer I'm finally going to get to zero my garands. I'll be curious of the results.


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[Grouse]

Huh, I never really thought about any of those points. I zero it, and shoot it.

I will say if i hit the broad side of a barn while inside it, I consider it a good day.

[aloreman]

Originally Posted by BlackKnight

I'm a police sniper and shot long distance in military and police competitions and my zero never changed between positions. Maybe it's different with scoped rifles. This summer I'm finally going to get to zero my garands. I'll be curious of the results.


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Scoped rifles are a different animal.

[Caleb]

Originally Posted by aloreman

Scoped rifles are a different animal.

So, if I duct tape a scope to the Garand....I would have to re-zero the rifle?

[aloreman]

If you duct taped a scope to a garand you would need stiches above your eye.

[Dave Waits]

Not to mention serious psychiatric consultation. LOL!

All I know is that since he taught me how to correct it, My zero doesn't change, regardless of position. Scores? Well, anymore we won't go there! My Service-Rifle and High-Power days are well over.

Addendum: Explanation in Order.
What I was doing was trying to get closer to the rear aperature with my cheek-weld and eye in prone. When you're strapped into both the leather Shooting jacket and the sling in prone you can't get as close as you can sitting or standing. I was pushing the rifle up as I was trying to get a weld and causing the muzzle to rise slightly.

[aloreman]

Ill give that a try. I was taught as long as your dope was always repeatable run it.