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Riverpigusmc 06-27-2016 04:13 PM

Sighting in the poodle shooter
 
took five rounds to get on paper at 50, then blazed through the rest of the mag using iron sights and red dot. It'll do for battle in the clearing with yotes and miscreants



http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/...pscagytyd8.jpg

FfNJGTFO 06-27-2016 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc (Post 132696)
took five rounds to get on paper at 50, then blazed through the rest of the mag using iron sights and red dot. It'll do for battle in the clearing with yotes and miscreants

I'd be interested in how you went about this, as I'm still trying to fine tune the sighting on my LE6920. I have a Bushnell "AR Optics 3x12-40" mounted on it. I'm on paper with the laser bore sighter, but I'm just slightly low, no mater what adjustments I make.

All Help, appreciated! :)

Riverpigusmc 06-27-2016 06:04 PM

I dialed in the iron sights through the red dot first, then set the dot on top of the front sight post co witness. It's only a 1x magnification. Few adjustments then I emptied the mag pretty much rapid fire

FfNJGTFO 06-27-2016 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc (Post 132699)
I dialed in the iron sights through the red dot first, then set the dot on top of the front sight post co witness. It's only a 1x magnification. Few adjustments then I emptied the mag pretty much rapid fire

Unfortunately, I don't have a BUIS mounted. Only the scope. I think, perhaps, I need to ensure my anchoring platform is a little more secure when I'm sighting. I had only a front bag on which to rest the barrel. Shooters World offered me a stand, but due to the shroud, it wouldn't fit the stand. I think they have other, longer stands. I'll try them.

Thanks much! :)

milkmanjoe 06-27-2016 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FfNJGTFO (Post 132698)
I'd be interested in how you went about this, as I'm still trying to fine tune the sighting on my LE6920. I have a Bushnell "AR Optics 3x12-40" mounted on it. I'm on paper with the laser bore sighter, but I'm just slightly low, no mater what adjustments I make.

All Help, appreciated! :)


Dumbass...yer target's too high...fer chrissakes alreddy...lower the damn target

Riverpigusmc 06-27-2016 06:36 PM

funny

Don't rest your barrel itself on anything...harmonics and wobble are bad juju. Rest the handguards if you can. I use this

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

FfNJGTFO 06-27-2016 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by milkmanjoe (Post 132702)
Dumbass...yer target's too high...fer chrissakes alreddy...lower the damn target

Be nice if it worked that way... :D The targets are mounted on an indoor electric retriever. I can't lower them that much... :D

milkmanjoe 06-27-2016 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FfNJGTFO (Post 132709)
Be nice if it worked that way... :D The targets are mounted on an indoor electric retriever. I can't lower them that much... :D

Well then stand on a brick.....I trained lotsa grate shooters standing on bricks.....jeez...whut else is wrong in yer life...the doctor is IN

FfNJGTFO 06-27-2016 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc (Post 132703)
funny

Don't rest your barrel itself on anything...harmonics and wobble are bad juju. Rest the handguards if you can. I use this

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Thanks! I'll also consider the rear bag equivalent as well. Yeah, I was resting it on the barrel. I should move the front bag back to the handguard, just in front of the front vertical grip.

Riverpigusmc 06-27-2016 07:30 PM

you're on a roll, Milkman :D

FfNJGTFO 06-27-2016 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by milkmanjoe (Post 132710)
Well then stand on a brick.....I trained lotsa grate shooters standing on bricks.....jeez...whut else is wrong in yer life...the doctor is IN

I should clarify. The shots are placing lower, relative to the bullseye, even though the reticle is dead on it. I'm actually seated at a table with me holding the rifle and the front resting on the front bag. But Pig makes a good point about keeping the front bag off he barrel. I'll give that a try.

Thanks! :)

Riverpigusmc 06-27-2016 07:59 PM

was it a new scope when you put it on? If it came off another rifle, you'll have to recenter the dials before sighting in

FfNJGTFO 06-27-2016 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc (Post 132714)
was it a new scope when you put it on? If it came off another rifle, you'll have to recenter the dials before sighting in

New in Box. But I'll probably have to recenter the dials anyway.

milkmanjoe 06-27-2016 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc (Post 132712)
you're on a roll, Milkman :D

Likker...:D.......packing for.SC......:D:D.........got new targets.....:D:D:D

Riverpigusmc 06-27-2016 09:22 PM

say hi to the boys, brother

milkmanjoe 06-27-2016 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc (Post 132718)
say hi to the boys, brother

Aye.......videos next week

Caleb 06-28-2016 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc (Post 132696)
took five rounds to get on paper at 50, then blazed through the rest of the mag using iron sights and red dot. It'll do for battle in the clearing with yotes and miscreants



http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/...pscagytyd8.jpg


Pshhhhh......Sniper my ass. Maybe a barn sniper.


:p

Caleb 06-28-2016 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by FfNJGTFO (Post 132713)
I should clarify. The shots are placing lower, relative to the bullseye, even though the reticle is dead on it. I'm actually seated at a table with me holding the rifle and the front resting on the front bag. But Pig makes a good point about keeping the front bag off he barrel. I'll give that a try.

Thanks! :)

What distance are you zeroing at?

FfNJGTFO 06-28-2016 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Caleb (Post 132744)
What distance are you zeroing at?


100 Yds.

Caleb 06-28-2016 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by FfNJGTFO (Post 132745)
100 Yds.

Ok, cause if you shoot closer it'll be hitting low. Gotta account for the scope higth in relation to the bore.

I suggest setting the scope to factory zero and try again or if you have another scope to verify its not the barrel/rifle.

FfNJGTFO 06-28-2016 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Caleb (Post 132746)
Ok, cause if you shoot closer it'll be hitting low. Gotta account for the scope higth in relation to the bore.

I suggest setting the scope to factory zero and try again or if you have another scope to verify its not the barrel/rifle.

It is a bit high, admittedly. I have it on a Burris P.E.P.R. mount. I'd show you a picture of it but I can't upload attachments, yet. :D If I mount it directly onto the upper's rail, it will get in the way of the charging handle. The PEPR mount keeps it higher and further forward of the charging handle.

I will reset it to factory zero and try again.

Thanks! :)

Riverpigusmc 06-28-2016 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Caleb (Post 132742)
Pshhhhh......Sniper my ass. Maybe a barn sniper.


:p

The center group was with iron sights. The rest were a mag dump with red dot, whole rodeo was within 3 1/2 inches, insect boy :p

milkmanjoe 06-28-2016 08:54 PM

Gentlemen...I know pig took and oath to never tell the "sniper's secrets". I too, took an oath, but it was with a female in a bar, and when she ran out of money for my drinks all bets were off on the oath. Sooooooooo.....

Allow me to explain how snipers can hit human targets at 1000 yards.

Ya see, snipers have spotters. It is the spotters job to spot the human bad guy target, run over to said target, and hand him a wawkie tawkie. Once this is complete, said spotter haul asses back to pig. pig then drops his crosshairs on human bad guy and takes a shot. The spotter watches where the bullet goes and instructs human bad guy, via wawkie tawkie, to move in alignment with the bullet's path. pig then shoots again, and since the human bad guy has politely moved into the bullet's path, he is hit and killded. It's all that simple, almost the same as if you are shooting low you should raise your target.

There have been grumblings lately that budget cuts have removed the wawkie tawkie from the equation and the spotter has to run back and forth, REAL fast, to tell human bad guy where to move so he can be shot. I will be Teeing off on Parris Island this Friday at 8AM. I will verify the part on wawkie tawkies being removed due to budget constraints during said round of golf.

Riverpigusmc 06-28-2016 09:00 PM

funnyfunny

my spotter was finally kicked out of the Corps...little guy from Maine. Only Marine I knew who stayed a private 4 years...hell on the spotting scope and calling dope, HORRIBLE behavior otherwise

milkmanjoe 06-28-2016 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc (Post 132786)
funnyfunny

my spotter was finally kicked out of the Corps...little guy from Maine. Only Marine I knew who stayed a private 4 years...hell on the spotting scope and calling dope, HORRIBLE behavior otherwise

Like the Marine who called me from Savannah cause he was busted for drunk public urination at Bass Pro... funny funny funny...I told call his Sarnt, he tells me Sarnt gave him my number.....nobody wants him...

Tee'd off at P.I. with a F-18 pilot...third hole....water down the left side of the fairway. Pilot tees up a brand new Pro V1 ball, about $5 a ball. Turns to me and say....Gonna go right in the water....he hooks the ball into the water......Repeats same maneuver three times, each time stating "gonna go right in the water"....I'm likkered up....."hey, flyboy, I need alot more confidence in my 25 million dollar aircraft". Full bird laughs so hard his stogie hits the dirt. I have so much fun up there.

NAMVET72 06-28-2016 09:41 PM

Or try different rings,


Clyde

BTW Da pig coyotes are hard to shoot from a stand that doesn't swivel or move, but we all know you have them on a leash or caged to shoot them

Grizzman 06-29-2016 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by FfNJGTFO (Post 132698)
I'm still trying to fine tune the sighting on my LE6920. I have a Bushnell "AR Optics 3x12-40" mounted on it. I'm on paper with the laser bore sighter, but I'm just slightly low, no mater what adjustments I make.

While you can mount the scope very low to the receiver, I'm not sure how easily it would be used in that config (unless you've got an especially malleable face). The standard tall sight height is due to the buffer tube being directly in-line with the barrel and bolt carrier.

Bullet impact will be low at some distances and high at others, so feel free to pick a zero distance and apply hold-over/under for others.

FfNJGTFO 06-29-2016 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Grizzman (Post 132813)
While you can mount the scope very low to the receiver, I'm not sure how easily it would be used in that config (unless you've got an especially malleable face). The standard tall sight height is due to the buffer tube being directly in-line with the barrel and bolt carrier.

Bullet impact will be low at some distances and high at others, so feel free to pick a zero distance and apply hold-over/under for others.

I should have clarified earlier. I posted above that I meant "low" meaning my placements are coming in low, relative to the bullseye, even though the reticle is dead on the bullseye. The scope is, actually, mounted high on a Burris P.E.P.R. mount, so that it clears (and is slightly forward of) the charging handle. No matter the adjustments I make to the scope, the placements are still just south of the bullseye.


I'm going to try some things Pig recommended (reset the scope to factory settings) and make sure the front support bag doesn't rest on the barrel.

Thanks! :)

Riverpigusmc 06-30-2016 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Caleb (Post 132746)
Ok, cause if you shoot closer it'll be hitting low. Gotta account for the scope higth in relation to the bore.

I suggest setting the scope to factory zero and try again or if you have another scope to verify its not the barrel/rifle.

^this. You may need to get your scope closer to the bore, although it shouldn't matter THAT much. If you want an eye opener, zero it at 10 yards, then try shooting at 100. You'll be so high you won't even hit the target stand. BTW, use Photobucket to post pictures

FfNJGTFO 06-30-2016 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc (Post 132838)
^this. You may need to get your scope closer to the bore, although it shouldn't matter THAT much. If you want an eye opener, zero it at 10 yards, then try shooting at 100. You'll be so high you won't even hit the target stand. BTW, use Photobucket to post pictures

OK, then let me ask this. The original mount was just the standard rings I bought with the scope. They kept the scope lower (relative to the bore), but the eyepiece was also obstructing the charging handle. I was told by a firearms expert that I should not ever obstruct the charging handle. So I bought the Burris P.E.P.R. mount, which did raise it slightly and move it forward, keeping the charging handle clear.

Should I go back to the regular rings, even though it might obstruct the charging handle a little?

Thx.

Riverpigusmc 06-30-2016 08:07 PM

I've never used a scope on an M16, just iron sights. I picked a medium mount that lets me cowitness my iron sights through the red dot. If it isn't TOUCHING the charging handle and you can operate it, I can't see why mounting it lower will hurt. You were shooting indoors at 25 yards? All the charging handle does is move the bolt carrier back and forth...once the BCG is locked in battery, the charging handle has no more effect on it

FfNJGTFO 06-30-2016 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc (Post 132840)
I've never used a scope on an M16, just iron sights. I picked a medium mount that lets me cowitness my iron sights through the red dot. If it isn't TOUCHING the charging handle and you can operate it, I can't see why mounting it lower will hurt. You were shooting indoors at 25 yards? All the charging handle does is move the bolt carrier back and forth...once the BCG is locked in battery, the charging handle has no more effect on it


OK, I'll certainly try mounting the scope with the old ring set and see if that makes a difference in the sighting. I could manipulate it enough (in the prior configuration) to charge the rifle. We'll see.

Thx.

Riverpigusmc 06-30-2016 09:04 PM

most of us here use Photobucket to post pics...if you have problems, let me know and I'll talk to the Boss

Riverpigusmc 06-30-2016 09:24 PM

maybe this will help

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/...psa5w8fr3h.jpg

FfNJGTFO 06-30-2016 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc (Post 132848)
most of us here use Photobucket to post pics...if you have problems, let me know and I'll talk to the Boss

Is "Imgur" OK as well?

Riverpigusmc 06-30-2016 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FfNJGTFO (Post 132853)
Is "Imgur" OK as well?

Prolly. Try it

FfNJGTFO 06-30-2016 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc (Post 132854)
Prolly. Try it

OK, First is the image of the original mount that obstructed the charging handle.

http://1.imgur.com/yoCFL0x.jpg?1

Second is the image with the Burris P.E.P.R. mount.

http://i.imgur.com/LYotgdD.jpg?1

http://imgur.com/LYotgdD

BlackKnight 06-30-2016 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc (Post 132851)

Yes, yes! I gotta steal this. I have to constantly correct people about this.
It's called the jump angle.

Grizzman 07-01-2016 12:40 AM

To achieve the proper eye relief, the standard practice is to mount the scope so that the rear of the ocular lens is roughly even with the rear of the charging handle. The position of the scope in the low ring setup appears to be appropriate.

The taller position of the P.E.P.R mount should allow access to the charging handle, even in this rearward position. It will also allow you to mount a folding BUIS at the far rear of the receiver....under the scope. I've rarely read negative comments regarding the P.E.P.R, so I see little reason for it to not work well for you also.

I personally use BCM's GUNFIGHTER charging handles with medium length latches on my ARs, for improved latch access.

What is your primary ammo used with the rifle? We may be able to help you choose a zero distance well suited to the bullet weight/velocity of your ammo.

Wilsoncrafter 07-01-2016 12:49 AM

The mount is way to far forward you must have a really long neck.:D It should be as grizz said and also a BCM charging handle is a nice upgrade especially when you have a scope mounted on a it.. And don't use the standard rings they 1 are blocking the charging handle and 2 they have the scope staring at the front sight post they are far to low for the rifle that you have. if it had a rail and low pro gas block it would be fine but not the setup that you have.


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