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nice shotguns....they are such great guns and under rated for home defense!! Nice job guys!

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Originally Posted by sdmc530 (Post 75783)

nice shotguns....they are such great guns and under rated for home defense!! Nice job guys!

In my opinion they're under rated and under appreciated for police work as well.

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Originally Posted by Dave Waits (Post 75775)

I'm not picking Cale, this is all stuff I learned in a Tactical Shotgun Course. The best way to run a Shotgun is on the K.I.S.S. principle, Keep It Simple Stupid!

I totally agree with you Dave, I was just being an Ellison. Well said, tho.

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Originally Posted by BlackKnight (Post 75784)

In my opinion they're under rated and under appreciated for police work as well.

NO DOUBT!! Yeah, the black gun is taking over but the shotgun is a better tool. When a "bad guy" hears the racking of a shell in a shotgun its game over.....way under appreiated!!

I understand that Clint Smith says that a pistol is what you use to fight you're way back to the rifle you shouldn't have left. Wonder if that applies to shottys?

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Originally Posted by sdmc530 (Post 75789)

NO DOUBT!! Yeah, the black gun is taking over but the shotgun is a better tool. When a "bad guy" hears the racking of a shell in a shotgun its game over.....way under appreiated!!

Actually a bad guy probably wouldn't know the difference in sound from a shottie racking to a lamp falling over. The old "rack the shotgun scares them away" myth is just that, a myth. Gun should be chambered anyway, if ya wanna scare a bad guy shoot at him. That MIGHT work, many thugs have no regard for human life, even their own. In that case, take a lesson from pig, shoot them till you ain't scared no more.

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Originally Posted by TLE2 (Post 75794)

I understand that Clint Smith says that a pistol is what you use to fight you're way back to the rifle you shouldn't have left. Wonder if that applies to shottys?

I would say that in personal(non-military) self(home) defense, any long gun.
Pistol rounds are actually piss poor for putting people down.

We use this one for HD, adjustable stock for my youngest son. Door breacher points have been filed sharp. Loads are rifled slugs and OO Buck, handloaded hot.

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Originally Posted by TLE2 (Post 75794)

I understand that Clint Smith says that a pistol is what you use to fight you're way back to the rifle you shouldn't have left. Wonder if that applies to shottys?

TLE2, that was first uttered by Col. Jeff Cooper.

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Originally Posted by milkmanjoe (Post 75796)

Actually a bad guy probably wouldn't know the difference in sound from a shottie racking to a lamp falling over. The old "rack the shotgun scares them away" myth is just that, a myth.

I'm sorry, sir, but I'm going to wholehearted disagree. I know from first hand experience that it does work.
When I was assigned to this particular task force we were designated to hit certain "hot spots". So one of the strategies I came up with was to bring the shotgun. I had it fully loaded with one in the breach, but open. As soon as I got out of the car I closed it. Trust me when I tell you they knew the sound and I've preempted a lot of pursuits that way. What they didn't know was that I couldn't shoot them if they ran. We also preempted a lot of them from going to their guns in their waist and took a lot of illegal guns of the street. Thank God!
I also got the unofficial nickname of "Officer Shotty" for a short period. :D

Here's mine, it's an 870 clone, I just love it.

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